Should coaches be "forced" to play players

[we1shnewby]

Now I've read thru the latest posts since my last visit, i'm even less convinced by the "forced" to play players theory. MA says on one hand his club is lax - yet he gets the praise he craves for his/her results and attracting new players. I wonder if he/she simultaneously puts equal emphasis on the players he "loses" to accomodate the newcomers, or indeed gives a tuppenny fig about the impact his/her decisions may have on the cast offs?

Clubs are fickle things - If his/her currently lax club became a little more fervent in offering an element of equity to its' members and chose to employ a policy which may be more "user friendly" would MA go with it on the basis of a "club decision made by its' members" or have a tant and walk away and do their best to take "his/her" players to a club where MA could exercise their personal preference for a results oriented regime??

Whilst i'm at it, a few weeks back MA posted his/her clubs code of conduct or modus operandii if you prefer. I recall commenting at the time i found it a little "too professional" - and felt then that it fitted MA's overall approach a little "too perfectly".

At a club with such an astonishingly professional approach i'm frankly amazed that MA should disclose that his club is "lax" in its' application. I rather expected MA to eventually "come out" as it were as a coach at a prem club masquerading as being interested in our views - or indeed a famed FA "mole" on the boards. I'm not so sure now. IMO, judging by the coc previously posted, MA may well be a small part of a very large big city club.

The OP again seeks to justify his/her position in support his FCA and indeed his/her own philosophy, and yet derides his/her own clubs chairman by associating them with an "uncompetitive" chairman at the club his/her FCA recently left. This is an unsual comment bearing in mind the "praise" he/she gets from his/her club in later posts.

I'm beginning to consider the possibilty that "mourinhosapprentice" is the creation of someone who believes they have the answer to the future of the game, but is perhaps just a tad too reliant on the purported support of everyone he/she ever comes into contact with in the game in its justification. Yet MA still appears for some reason to crave the overwhelming support from our ranks, and frankly gets pretty irked when it's not always that forthcoming.

Why bother ??

MA has the answers - he/she keeps telling those of us who think otherwise, and trying to convert us to the dog eat dog approach. Why not just get on with it? If his is the right way why bother with losers who in general have different opinions.

When MA has proved to everyone that his/her chosen route is more beneficial to the kids who want to play football he will be able to give me and others the 2 fingered salute with some justification. We all leave ourselves open to persuasion by posting our thoughts and experiences here. Rarely do many of us seek to justify what we post so fervently as MA does.

As Jay says early in the piece it is just "same old same old".

[we1shnewby]

Welshy - I started 'managing' at 17, after assisting for maybe 6 months. I'd say by 21, I was decent enough to actually manage. Prior to that, I really should have been just a coach, because of all the other 'important' things in my life at that time. The funny thing is though, at 26 I have no desire at all to manage, only to coach!

that's almost another agreeing scenario CNC!! much depends on the extent of overlap between the coach / manager. who picks the team or whether it is a concensus situation. It was only a throw away thought anyway.

[Mourinhosapprentice]

Yet MA still appears for some reason to crave the overwhelming support from our ranks, and frankly gets pretty irked when it's not always that forthcoming.

Why bother ??

Sorry I have to ask you if thats the way you feel why do you even bother to reply. You can spend more time on your "investigation" on mysterious MA

If you really must know - Football coach of three years and university student studying Sports Psychology (partly why I like to get such a contrast of opionions on here) so yes probably too much time on my hands.

I think that'll do me on the forum for a while. Clearly I've gone a bit OTT and irritated serveral people so I'll leave it to die down.

[JaySav]

Without trying to take it 'off topic' this also goes back to a previous discussion about the differing roles of coaches and managers.

Often they are looked at in the same way (and many parts can and do actually merge into both categories) but they can also be seperate issues and some of the best coaches cannot actually manage a team whilst the same can be said about the other way around too.

IMO, alot of the confusion comes from the various terminology used sometimes on here getting mis-interpretted.

[Sirius]

Jay your right, but it's further muddled in our world of Grassroots footie when you have some poor soley who is actually Manager, Coach and jack of all trades.

It is not uncommon for the Manager to take the coaching sessions as well which is where some of the confusion comes in.

Some squads are lucky to have seperate people doign the differign roles - I have seen soem clubs where the "Manager" as no idea of Coaching but just fulfills all the Admin duties and it works fine.

[JaySav]

Sorry I have to ask you if thats the way you feel why do you even bother to reply. You can spend more time on your "investigation" on mysterious MA



I think that'll do me on the forum for a while. Clearly I've gone a bit OTT and irritated serveral people so I'll leave it to die down.

Why do that? Forget the impact you have on people on here and what their thoughts of you may be. Without alot of what you post it would be boring (if people all had the same thoughts and ideas). I may not agree with all of what you say but I do some aspects and even if I dont IMO it does give an alternative perspective to think about and consider.

[JaySav]

Sirius.. Again there was another post previously in which all the jobs carried out by people who use this forum were listed aside from the actual managment or coaching roles they undertake.. (I recall it was quite a long list as well)..

Wonder if SAF has to pick up dog turds off Old Trafford pitch? (Cue UnluckyManc)

[we1shnewby]

I wish I would check this forum more often!

For someone who knows little to nothing about football I find some of the material fascinating!

You do however appear to have a very clear idea of the type of people you are (were?) dealing with at your son's (former) club though.

Those who are not aware I recently (very bravely) posted on here about my own son and how the manager does not give him much playing time and he has become increasingly upset as a result.

This is an anonymous forum CJ and I'm not sure posting anything on here anonymously requires too much bravery.

The mother of the player in MA’s example I hate to say it sounds very much like the sort of thing, if I had let her, my wife would do – effectively complain to the chairmen and force our son’s football coach to play him.

If I remember correctly I hypothesized that if we did do this the coach would resign and we would be labelled selfish and bullies – just like the mother in MA’s example.
Why Would that have been such a terrible outome and how do you KNOW this to be the case. There may have been 10 other parents with similar concerns but who were also wary of "reprisals" shall we say.

That would effect our son’s nourishment and fulfilment and he would be bullied as a result of our actions.

Baseless - it would only happen if, as a parent, you let it. ALL CLUBS AND COACHES are subject to Child Welfare Practices which would utterly condemn and rapidly remove the culprits and apologists for them from every club. ANY club prepared to put results ahead of child welfare and wellbeing is effectively signing it's own death warrant. Child Welfare is the SINGLE biggest issue and priority at every Club , league and county FA in the UK. NO club will tolerate it - if you and your son are / were associated with such a club you should report them to the league and speak in confidence to the CLUB WELFARE OFFICER IMMEDIATELY.

This is an absurd suggestion- and begs the question that if you know those who were at the club to be bullies why you allowed your son to become involved and stay involved ??

After reading this I am very glad we did not take such action as I imagine we would be in the same position – we would be labelled and selfish, our son would be bullied and he would have a new club where he knew no one or no club at all.

If your son is at a club which rules by such fear of the coaches and players then he would surely be better off at a new club making new friends who are not so inclined with coaches who demonstrate a willingness to nurture and develop your son in football in preference to "bullying" him out the squad by exclusion ??

With respect CJ I am at a loss as to why any parent would choose to allow any child to remain with a squad and club at which they are intimidated by the coaches and other players. In doing so are you not simply perpetuating and condoning the behaviour of bullies?.

[we1shnewby]

Sorry I have to ask you if thats the way you feel why do you even bother to reply. You can spend more time on your "investigation" on mysterious MA



I think that'll do me on the forum for a while. Clearly I've gone a bit OTT and irritated serveral people so I'll leave it to die down.

Why do that? Forget the impact you have on people on here and what their thoughts of you may be. Without alot of what you post it would be boring (if people all had the same thoughts and ideas). I may not agree with all of what you say but I do some aspects and even if I dont IMO it does give an alternative perspective to think about and consider.

Absolutely agree jay - Healthy debate is the lifeblood of the forum- No point in being over-sensitive to the responses or indeed dwelling on the fact you may annoy some people on occasions.

[JaySav]

Absolutely agree jay - Healthy debate is the lifeblood of the forum- No point in being over-sensitive to the responses or indeed dwelling on the fact you may annoy some people on occasions.

I'll try and remember that next time I get wound up and wanna jump in the car to kill someone or sit there swearing at a pc screen