Are results a big deal to players - Do you want it to be?

[Orangepen]

Yes, the very same plan you and others are choosing to ignore. Stuff the individual my team is all that matters. Honestly MA your team will never win the Champions league .100% guaranteed. But maybe there is a tiny chance,0.001% one of your INDIVIDUAL players may play in ANOTHER TEAM and collect a CL winners medal. But only if you concentrate on individual player development.

Not good enough odds for me - we're not hear to create the next Rooney or Lampard - if we come across it I will do my upmost to ensure he receives the attention his talent deserves.

And your right my team will never win the CL. But we may win OUR EVIVALENT - the local league or cup - something we can proud of in the scale of things. With respect I'm going with the majority - in my team high standard players. I'm not going to equally distribute my time to each individual so I can feel proud of myself. I going to do my best for their team.

"Sorry THE TEAM could of one the league this year but didn't because theres a 0.001% chance one and only one of you may win the CL won day if we focus on each of you INDIVIDUALLY"

Ludicrous.

I understand your point mate, but in a way we are here to create the future talents.

We are charged with the responsibility of improving footballers that come to our club.

The coach needs to work in the interests of the club to provide teams, and succesful teams in my eyes.
The coach needs to work in the interest of football by doing their best to improve children's footballing ability which gives potential for the future
In the interests of the children that we meet their needs in terms of enjoyment and any other needs they can realistically recieve through youth football.

[Mourinhosapprentice]

I understand your point mate, but in a way we are here to create the future talents.

We are charged with the responsibility of improving footballers that come to our club.

The coach needs to work in the interests of the club to provide teams, and succesful teams in my eyes.
The coach needs to work in the interest of football by doing their best to improve children's footballing ability which gives potential for the future
In the interests of the children that we meet their needs in terms of enjoyment and any other needs they can realistically recieve through youth football.

God I love having Orangepen back!

I think every coach needs to have a compromise between all 3. I adjust my policy to the team - so I am weighted in favour of the first point but I do take into account the other two - I just have a different way of doing it to others.

[jmc09]

I thought our job was all about encouraging the kids to love the game and want to still be loving it for the rest of their lives.

This means that the coach has to involve all the players that he or she signs on.
If you play for trophies but exclude players because they aren't up to your expectations then that's just wrong,IMO.
Even if you play for trophies you should include everybody or just not sign them on in the first place,but if you do sign them on then you have a responsibility to play them all.

[Orangepen]

I thought our job was all about encouraging the kids to love the game and want to still be loving it for the rest of their lives.

This means that the coach has to involve all the players that he or she signs on.
If you play for trophies but exclude players because they aren't up to your expectations then that's just wrong,IMO.
Even if you play for trophies you should include everybody or just not sign them on in the first place,but if you do sign them on then you have a responsibility to play them all.

Agree 100%

[sir masi berguson]

The main focus for a youth coach should be improving all the players in the team as much as possible. There are many ways to achieve this goal though. However I'm pretty sure that eancouraging the kids to love the game is one of the best ways to improve them as players. So I'd say it's not something coaches should aim for jmc, but more like means to reach our true goal (to develop each individual as much as possible).

[Sirius]

I adjust my policy to the team

Since when? Come on MA one of the things I have championed you for on here is you have you views and values and stick to them.

If you really adjust your policy to the team would you honestly adjust if they wanted to be "all inclusive" - NO

Your team adjusts to you

Your team is centered around you

As I have said before I have no problems with that if it is clear and everyone is aware when they sign up

[coachcuthy]

The answer to the original question posed is my experience of running three teams is

For most kids winning is important - for a few it is not appear to be very important and for an equal few it is all important.

[angela]

check your quotes MA -Bil shankleys quote as such was not his -he paraphrased it -

the origional quote was by Henry Russell Sanders -an american football coach -nothing at all to do with "soccer" ,was an important american football game intense rivallry .

and everyone quotes it with a passion .

[angela]

are results a big deal to players -

only if they want them to be they are .

Do I want them to be -er nope not at all ,cos they are not important to me ,the kids are .

My own son played to a high standard last year -played the best in the local league -worked hard ,some games he was on fire ,some not ,oh my goodness they got their backsides kicked as a team by the opposition who outclassed them ,and sometimes they clawed back from a halftime drubbing to a draw .

He is 16 ,can tell you every goal ,how it was struck etc ,he has a great sense of humour coupled with a strong work ethic ,

"man he turned me inside out and back to front ,what a great game ,what you got to eat I am starving ?"

His manager would say -"lads you are playing for pride now,we need 11on the pitch ,stay on the pitch "

they would reply -"we are playing for survival in the next 45 mins " .and off they would go

[happymanc]

I think alot depends on how the player react to the result........how the adults/coaches treat a result.

Losing

i have seen kids come off crying....run of the pitch and cry behind a tree.....reuse to shake hands at the end........their behaviour gets worse as the match goes on later and later tackles.........name calling........coach getting more and more vocal.........coaches letting rip at the after match team talk. Seen managers refuse to shake hands

I have seen kids walk of after losing laughing and chatting....... really enjoyed themselves.......shaking hands and chatting with the other team.......have seen the coach giving them a good after match talk with smiles on the kids faces.

Winning

I have seen kids take the micky out of the losing team.........telling them they a re s***........forgetting to shake hands because they to busy running around like they won the FA cup. I have seen managers let rip because they didnt play well..even though they won

I have seen kids chat and shake hands with the losing team and pat them on the back........they walk of without rubbing in the win. Both managers laughing and shaking hands

do results matter to kids yes but it matters to much to some and to some kids it matters but its not the end of the world ......... are they just coping their coach and parents